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1700, 1800 & 1900 Scrimshire Family Lines & Charts <\/h3>\n\n\n\n
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How to read th<\/strong>e Above Chart<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The top two boxes are the Scrimhire households most compiled trees known. The six smaller boxes are children often attached to John Jr. and Mary Anna Brown. The two large boxes at the bottom are the later Oklahoma stories. Green is the Okemah farmer line. Tan is the northeast Oklahoma \/ Cherokee-border line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is a working picture, not a finished proof. The parents of John who married Edith Vann, of Martin Matthew, and of William of Georgia have not been proved by original certificates. If the fork is real, the two Oklahoma families are cousins a few generations back. Two rare-name southern branches that both used Virginia, Georgia, and Tennessee as stepping-stones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

SCRIMSHIRE A compiled family-history note<\/strong>
The Okemah\u2013Arkansas\u2013Georgia line, the Cherokee Schrimshers of northeast Oklahoma, and the English surname behind both
Compiled from public trees, the Oklahoma Genealogical Society sketch, FamilySearch, and related published notes. Written as a working family paper, not as a finished proof of every generation before 1810.
What this paper is<\/strong>
This note gathers the Scrimshire research into one place. It follows the family that can be documented from James Holland Scrimshire of Okemah back through Arkansas into Georgia. It then sets that line beside the better-known Cherokee Schrimshers of Craig and Rogers Counties and asks whether the two Oklahoma clusters are strangers who happen to share a rare name, or branches of one colonial English family that split in the late 1700s or early 1800s.
What is solid is marked as solid. What lives only in compiled trees is marked as compiled. The surname itself is English (also Anglo-Scottish in some spellings). Colonial and later American records bounce among Scrimshire, Schrimshire, Scrimpshire, Schrimsher, and close variants. That spelling scatter is normal for this name and is not evidence of two different origins.
The documented Okemah line<\/strong>
This is the cluster that matches the Okemah \/ Seminole \/ Okmulgee family. The best single published sketch remains Zora Bishop\u2019s article in the Oklahoma Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 15, No. 2 (June 1970), later put online by the Society. FamilySearch person pages line up with that sketch on the generations from James Holland back through John Wesley (1852).
Generation by generation<\/strong> from me back…
Father<\/strong> James Holland Scrimshire Born 10 April 1920, Montgomery County, Arkansas. Died 25 December 1994. Buried Highland Cemetery, Okemah. Married Rilda Lera Ennis. The 1970 OGS sketch writes her as \u201cCilia L. Ennis,\u201d born 25 January 1924 \u2014 same woman, variant given name in the compiled article. Children include Rocky Dale Scrimshire (1946) and Rhonda Cheryl Scrimshire Jones (1949\u20132022).
Grandfather<\/strong> John Wesley Scrimshire Jr. Born 6 June 1889 or 1890, Montgomery County, Arkansas. Died mid-December 1966, Okemah. Buried Highland Cemetery. Married Maudie Leona Tedford (12 December 1893\u201325 May 1961) on 31 December 1916 in Montgomery County, Arkansas. Children: Lon Wesley (1918\u20131920), James Holland, Zelda Elizabeth, Zora Leora, Leland Thomas, Bonnie Evelyn.
Great-grandfather<\/strong> John Wesley Schrimshire Born 24 January 1852, Georgia. Died 14 March 1935, Okemah. Buried Sand Creek Cemetery, Seminole County. Married Frances Parlee Dean (16 February 1852, Georgia\u20137 August 1939, Oklahoma) on 1 December 1869, Jefferson County, Arkansas. Lived Bear and Center Townships, Montgomery County, Arkansas, 1900\u20131910. Children include Wiley, Lula, Ora Pearl, Julia, Emma, John Wesley Jr., and Augustus Malachi.
2g-grandfather<\/strong> William B. Scrimshire Born 1810, Warren County, Georgia. In Stewart County, Georgia, 1850. In Vaugine Township, Jefferson County, Arkansas, 1860. Died about 1870, Arkansas. Married Elizabeth Kent on 7 July 1836, Stewart County, Georgia. Children include Solomon Green, George William, Edie A., Julia A., John Wesley (1852), William Donald, Joseph Penn Putnam, and Augustus M.
3g-grandfather<\/strong> (compiled) William B. \/ William Brown Scrimshire OGS: born about 1770; large Georgia family including John (1809), William (1810), Solomon (1815), Newton, Jasper, Willis, Washington, Frank, Jack, Ellen, and Fannie. FamilySearch and other trees often give him as William Brown, born 1778 in North Carolina or Albemarle County, Virginia, with a first wife Frances Sanford (married 1793, Virginia) and later Theresa \/ Therese Goza (married 1817, Stewart County, Georgia). The 1770 versus 1778 dates and any claim of a 108-year lifespan are compiled-tree inflation until original records pin them down.
English origin of the surname is not in dispute. Everything from James Holland back through John Wesley 1852 and William B. 1810 in Georgia is in good published shape. Everything before 1810 is a mix of good clues and unsourced stitching.
Children of Great Grand Father<\/strong>John Wesley (1852) and Frances Parlee Dean
All of the children below were born in Arkansas, per the OGS sketch and FamilySearch summaries:
\u2022 Wiley (William McDonald) Scrimshire, born about 1872\u20131873; married Lizzie Meeks in Arkansas.
\u2022 Ora Pearl Schrimshire, 1876\u20131950.
\u2022 Lula Belle Scrimshire, about 1879\u20131941; married first John F. Mayberry, second Bud Booth.
\u2022 Lizzie \/ Julia Elizabeth and Emma in the early 1880s.
\u2022 John Wesley Scrimshire Jr., 1889\/1890\u20131966 \u2014 the Okemah grandfather.
\u2022 Augustus Malachi Scrimshire, 20 November 1894\u201331 October 1947; married Hettie Zero Amerson 8 July 1917 at Sims, Montgomery County, Arkansas; buried Sand Creek Cemetery.
Children of Grand Father<\/strong>John Wesley Jr. and Maudie Tedford
\u2022 Lon Wesley Scrimshire, 4 November 1918\u201316 July 1920.
\u2022 James Holland Scrimshire, 10 April 1920\u201325 December 1994; married Rilda Lera Ennis.
\u2022 Zelda Elizabeth Scrimshire, 5 May 1922; married first Lonnie Pelky, second C. C. Tolleson.
\u2022 Zora Leora Scrimshire, 15 March 1924\u20138 September 2017; compiler of the 1970 OGS sketch under her later name, Mrs. Zora Bishop of Okemah.
\u2022 Leland Thomas Scrimshire, 17 May 1927; married Letha Bell Guinn.
\u2022 Bonnie Evelyn Scrimshire, 31 July 1933; married Kenneth Eugene Elsner.
The English\/Scottish name<\/strong>
Scrimshire is an Anglo-Scottish occupational surname from Old French eskermir, \u201cto fence\u201d or fight hand to hand. Middle English turned that into skrymsher. A fencing master was a respectable medieval trade, though London at times banned fencing schools as a public nuisance. Recorded spellings include Scrimgeour, Scriminger, Scrymegour, Scrimger, Skrimshire, Scrimshaw, Schrimshire, and Schrimsher.
Early English examples include William Lescermissur of Suffolk (1180) and Symon Leskirmisur of Essex (1221). The Scottish Scrymegour family held the hereditary office of standard-bearer of Scotland for centuries. Sir Alexander Schyrmeschur received lands in Forfar in 1298 and later became Constable of Dundee Castle. John Scrymgeour was created Earl of Dundee in 1660. The first recorded spelling commonly cited is Richer le Schirmissur, 1154, in the Danelaw documents for Lincolnshire.
A separate old Staffordshire gentry family, Skrymsher \/ Skrimshire of Norbury, owned manors from the 1500s into the 1700s. That English gentry line is real, but it has not been proved on paper as the direct parent of the Virginia\u2013Georgia farmers. What can be said safely is that the American name is English in origin, and that a John Scrimshire (often styled John Brown Scrimshire), born about 1720 in England and married to Ann Lyons (often listed as Welsh), is the colonial ancestor most compiled trees place behind the southern United States family.
A second Oklahoma family with the same name and Cherokee ties<\/strong>
Do not mix the following people into the Okemah household list. They are a different Oklahoma story.
The Cherokee Schrimshers of Craig and Rogers Counties \u2014 Vinita, Claremore, Honey Creek \u2014 are the line of Mary America Schrimsher Rogers, mother of Will Rogers. That cluster runs through John Gunter Schrimsher, Isaac Schrimsher, and John Schrimsher who married Edith Vann. John was Anglo. Edith was part Cherokee (later records suggest about half). Their home before removal was on the Conasauga River in that part of the old Cherokee Nation claimed by Georgia. In October 1831 John volunteered to move west. By spring 1832 the family was drawing subsistence in Indian Territory. Their new home was along Honey Creek in what is now northern Delaware County.
Known children of John and Edith usually named in the Craig County compilation are Isaac (1823), Rhoda (1825), Leroy (1827), and Margaret (1830). Descendants appear on the Dawes Final Roll. There is a Schrimsher \/ Scrimpsher Cemetery near Vinita. Mary America Schrimsher (9 October 1839\u201328 May 1890) married Clement Vann Rogers; their son was William Penn Adair Rogers.
Cherokee researchers themselves split this northeast-Oklahoma name into more than one white-origin bunch. A Genealogy.com note from Jerry L. Clark (2000) warned that there were two separate Schrimsher sets among Cherokees: (1) John Schrimsher and Mary, whose children married into the family of John Oowana Vann in the Sweetwater Valley of Tennessee, some of them Old Settlers; and (2) Matthew Martin Schrimsher of Gunter\u2019s Landing, Alabama, a white man whose father James lived on Matthew\u2019s improvement, ancestor of Will Rogers, who came west in the main Removal of 1838\u20131839. Clark wrote that the two bunches might still be related as whites even when they are not the same Cherokee family.
Are the two Oklahoma lines a coincidence?<\/strong>
It looks odd until two questions are separated. Did they land in the same Oklahoma? And are they the same English family a few generations earlier?
They did not land in the same counties
The Okemah people are south-central Oklahoma \u2014 Okfuskee, Seminole, Okmulgee \u2014 arriving after the Civil War from Montgomery and Jefferson Counties, Arkansas, as ordinary Georgia-stock farmers. The Cherokee Schrimshers are northeast Oklahoma \u2014 Craig, Rogers, Delaware \u2014 already in Indian Territory in the 1830s. That is a different corner of the state and a different migration stream. Oklahoma collected both because that is what Oklahoma did: old Cherokee Nation in the northeast, later southern white settlement across the rest.
A shared colonial root is still a fair question yet likely.<\/strong>
The name is rare. Independent English families of this surname do exist, but researchers on the Cherokee side have asked the same question. The Craig County compilation Schrimsher Cousins is explicit: John (who married Edith Vann), Martin Matthew (Will Rogers\u2019 grandfather), and a William were contemporaries whose parents have not been proved. The compiler wrote that they might be brothers or cousins and that he was not joining those lines because the parents were unknown. That is caution, not proof they are strangers.
A few other pieces lean toward one Anglo family that split:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A compiled family-history note<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Okemah\u2013Arkansas\u2013Georgia line, the Cherokee Schrimshers of northeast Oklahoma, and the English surname behind both<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Compiled from public trees, the Oklahoma Genealogical Society sketch, FamilySearch, and related published notes. Written as a working family paper, not as a finished proof of every generation before 1810.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

This note gathers the Scrimshire research into one place. It follows the family that can be documented from James Holland Scrimshire of Okemah back through Arkansas into Georgia. It then sets that line beside the better-known Cherokee Schrimshers of Craig and Rogers Counties and asks whether the two Oklahoma clusters are strangers who happen to share a rare name, or branches of one colonial English family that split in the late 1700s or early 1800s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What is solid is marked as solid. What lives only in compiled trees is marked as compiled. The surname itself is English (also Anglo-Scottish in some spellings). Colonial and later American records bounce among Scrimshire, Schrimshire, Scrimpshire, Schrimsher, and close variants. That spelling scatter is normal for this name and is not evidence of two different origins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The documented Okemah line<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

This is the cluster that matches the Okemah \/ Seminole \/ Okmulgee family. The best single published sketch remains Zora Bishop\u2019s article in the Oklahoma Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 15, No. 2 (June 1970), later put online by the Society. FamilySearch person pages line up with that sketch on the generations from James Holland back through John Wesley (1852).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Generation by generation<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
Generation<\/strong><\/td>Person<\/strong><\/td>What the records say<\/strong><\/td><\/tr><\/thead>
Father<\/td>James Holland Scrimshire<\/td>Born 10 April 1920, Montgomery County, Arkansas. Died 25 December 1994. Buried Highland Cemetery, Okemah. Married Rilda Lera Ennis. The 1970 OGS sketch writes her as \u201cCilia L. Ennis,\u201d born 25 January 1924 \u2014 same woman, variant given name in the compiled article. Children include Rhonda Cheryl Scrimshire Jones (1949\u20132022).<\/td><\/tr>
Grandfather<\/td>John Wesley Scrimshire Jr.<\/td>Born 6 June 1889 or 1890, Montgomery County, Arkansas. Died mid-December 1966, Okemah. Buried Highland Cemetery. Married Maudie Leona Tedford (12 December 1893\u201325 May 1961) on 31 December 1916 in Montgomery County, Arkansas. Children: Lon Wesley (1918\u20131920), James Holland, Zelda Elizabeth, Zora Leora, Leland Thomas, Bonnie Evelyn.<\/td><\/tr>
Great-grandfather<\/td>John Wesley Schrimshire<\/td>Born 24 January 1852, Georgia. Died 14 March 1935, Okemah. Buried Sand Creek Cemetery, Seminole County. Married Frances Parlee Dean (16 February 1852, Georgia\u20137 August 1939, Oklahoma) on 1 December 1869, Jefferson County, Arkansas. Lived Bear and Center Townships, Montgomery County, Arkansas, 1900\u20131910. Children include Wiley, Lula, Ora Pearl, Julia, Emma, John Wesley Jr., and Augustus Malachi.<\/td><\/tr>
2g-grandfather<\/td>William B. Scrimshire<\/td>Born 1810, Warren County, Georgia. In Stewart County, Georgia, 1850. In Vaugine Township, Jefferson County, Arkansas, 1860. Died about 1870, Arkansas. Married Elizabeth Kent on 7 July 1836, Stewart County, Georgia. Children include Solomon Green, George William, Edie A., Julia A., John Wesley (1852), William Donald, Joseph Penn Putnam, and Augustus M.<\/td><\/tr>
3g-grandfather (compiled)<\/td>William B. \/ William Brown Scrimshire<\/td>OGS: born about 1770; large Georgia family including John (1809), William (1810), Solomon (1815), Newton, Jasper, Willis, Washington, Frank, Jack, Ellen, and Fannie. FamilySearch and other trees often give him as William Brown, born 1778 in North Carolina or Albemarle County, Virginia, with a first wife Frances Sanford (married 1793, Virginia) and later Theresa \/ Therese Goza (married 1817, Stewart County, Georgia). The 1770 versus 1778 dates and any claim of a 108-year lifespan are compiled-tree inflation until original records pin them down.<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

English origin of the surname is not in dispute. Everything from James Holland back through John Wesley 1852 and William B. 1810 in Georgia is in good published shape. Everything before 1810 is a mix of good clues and unsourced stitching.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Children of John Wesley (1852) and Frances Parlee Dean<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

All of the children below were born in Arkansas, per the OGS sketch and FamilySearch summaries:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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  • Wiley (William McDonald) Scrimshire, born about 1872\u20131873; married Lizzie Meeks in Arkansas.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Ora Pearl Schrimshire, 1876\u20131950.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Lula Belle Scrimshire, about 1879\u20131941; married first John F. Mayberry, second Bud Booth.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Lizzie \/ Julia Elizabeth and Emma in the early 1880s.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • John Wesley Scrimshire Jr., 1889\/1890\u20131966 \u2014 the Okemah grandfather.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Augustus Malachi Scrimshire, 20 November 1894\u201331 October 1947; married Hettie Zero Amerson 8 July 1917 at Sims, Montgomery County, Arkansas; buried Sand Creek Cemetery.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

    Children of John Wesley Jr. and Maudie Tedford<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
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    • Lon Wesley Scrimshire, 4 November 1918\u201316 July 1920.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • James Holland Scrimshire, 10 April 1920\u201325 December 1994; married Rilda Lera Ennis.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Zelda Elizabeth Scrimshire, 5 May 1922; married first Lonnie Pelky, second C. C. Tolleson.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Zora Leora Scrimshire, 15 March 1924\u20138 September 2017; compiler of the 1970 OGS sketch under her later name, Mrs. Zora Bishop of Okemah.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Leland Thomas Scrimshire, 17 May 1927; married Letha Bell Guinn.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Bonnie Evelyn Scrimshire, 31 July 1933; married Kenneth Eugene Elsner.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

      The English\/Scottish name<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

      Scrimshire is an Anglo-Scottish occupational surname from Old French eskermir, \u201cto fence\u201d or fight hand to hand. Middle English turned that into skrymsher. A fencing master was a respectable medieval trade, though London at times banned fencing schools as a public nuisance. Recorded spellings include Scrimgeour, Scriminger, Scrymegour, Scrimger, Skrimshire, Scrimshaw, Schrimshire, and Schrimsher.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Early English examples include William Lescermissur of Suffolk (1180) and Symon Leskirmisur of Essex (1221). The Scottish Scrymegour family held the hereditary office of standard-bearer of Scotland for centuries. Sir Alexander Schyrmeschur received lands in Forfar in 1298 and later became Constable of Dundee Castle. John Scrymgeour was created Earl of Dundee in 1660. The first recorded spelling commonly cited is Richer le Schirmissur, 1154, in the Danelaw documents for Lincolnshire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      A separate old Staffordshire gentry family, Skrymsher \/ Skrimshire of Norbury, owned manors from the 1500s into the 1700s. That English gentry line is real, but it has not been proved on paper as the direct parent of the Virginia\u2013Georgia farmers. What can be said safely is that the American name is English in origin, and that a John Scrimshire (often styled John Brown Scrimshire), born about 1720 in England and married to Ann Lyons (often listed as Welsh), is the colonial ancestor most compiled trees place behind the southern United States family.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      A second Oklahoma family with the same name<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

      Do not mix the following people into the Okemah household list. They are a different Oklahoma story. They are not a different spelling accident.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      The Cherokee Schrimshers of Craig and Rogers Counties \u2014 Vinita, Claremore, Honey Creek \u2014 are the line of Mary America Schrimsher Rogers, mother of Will Rogers. That cluster runs through John Gunter Schrimsher, Isaac Schrimsher, and John Schrimsher who married Edith Vann. John was Anglo. Edith was part Cherokee (later records suggest about half). Their home before removal was on the Conasauga River in that part of the old Cherokee Nation claimed by Georgia. In October 1831 John volunteered to move west. By spring 1832 the family was drawing subsistence in Indian Territory. Their new home was along Honey Creek in what is now northern Delaware County.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Known children of John and Edith usually named in the Craig County compilation are Isaac (1823), Rhoda (1825), Leroy (1827), and Margaret (1830). Descendants appear on the Dawes Final Roll. There is a Schrimsher \/ Scrimpsher Cemetery near Vinita. Mary America Schrimsher (9 October 1839\u201328 May 1890) married Clement Vann Rogers; their son was William Penn Adair Rogers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Cherokee researchers themselves split this northeast-Oklahoma name into more than one white-origin bunch. A Genealogy.com note from Jerry L. Clark (2000) warned that there were two separate Schrimsher sets among Cherokees: (1) John Schrimsher and Mary, whose children married into the family of John Oowana Vann in the Sweetwater Valley of Tennessee, some of them Old Settlers; and (2) Matthew Martin Schrimsher of Gunter\u2019s Landing, Alabama, a white man whose father James lived on Matthew\u2019s improvement, ancestor of Will Rogers, who came west in the main Removal of 1838\u20131839. Clark wrote that the two bunches might still be related as whites even when they are not the same Cherokee family.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Are the two Oklahoma lines a coincidence?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

      It looks odd until two questions are separated. Did they land in the same Oklahoma? And are they the same English family a few generations earlier?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      They did both land in Oklahoma but did not land in the same counties<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

      The Okemah people are south-central Oklahoma \u2014 Okfuskee, Seminole, Okmulgee \u2014 arriving after the Civil War from Montgomery and Jefferson Counties, Arkansas, as ordinary Georgia-stock farmers. The Cherokee Schrimshers are northeast Oklahoma \u2014 Craig, Rogers, Delaware \u2014 already in Indian Territory in the 1830s. That is a different corner of the state and a different migration stream. Oklahoma collected both because that is what Oklahoma did: old Cherokee Nation in the northeast, later southern white settlement across the rest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      A shared colonial root is still a fair question<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

      The name is rare. Independent English families of this surname do exist, but researchers on the Cherokee side have asked the same question. The Craig County compilation Schrimsher Cousins is explicit: John (who married Edith Vann), Martin Matthew (Will Rogers\u2019 grandfather), and a William were contemporaries whose parents have not been proved. The compiler wrote that they might be brothers or cousins and that he was not joining those lines because the parents were unknown. That is caution, not proof they are strangers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      A few other pieces lean toward one Anglo family that split:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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      1. John who married Edith Vann was Anglo. The Cherokee blood comes from Edith, not from the Scrimshire name. Their Georgia border home is in the same state where the Okemah line\u2019s William B. is found by 1810.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      2. A William Schrimshear received a Cherokee Council residence and work permit on 21 April 1808 \u2014 the right decade for the older William in the compiled Georgia trees.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      3. FamilySearch and MyHeritage trees already list William Brown Scrimshire (the Okemah line\u2019s third-great-grandfather candidate) and Jonathan Brown Schrimsher as sons of the same John Jr. (born 24 December 1751, Albemarle County, Virginia) and Mary Anna Brown. Jonathan, born 1787, sits on the Tennessee \/ Cherokee-adjacent side. Those trees may be wrong, but they are guessing at exactly this fork.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      4. The book A Scrimshire Notebook is cited by both camps, which is another hint they have been circling the same colonial pile.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n

        The rule \u201cdo not mix them\u201d is about citizenship and rolls, not about 1700s blood. Dawes and Guion Miller care who Edith Vann\u2019s grandchildren were. John Wesley of 1852 was never on those rolls. That is why published Cherokee work keeps the lines apart. It does not mean two unrelated English surnames happened to wash up in Oklahoma.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        A working picture of the possible fork<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

        If the compiled Virginia generation is right, the shape looks like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        John Scrimshire, about 1720, England, married Ann Lyons. Their son John Schrimsher Jr., born 24 December 1751, Albemarle County, Virginia, married Mary Anna Brown. Compiled lists of their children often include John Brown (about 1774), William T. (about 1776), William Brown (1778), Mary Lydia (1778), James (1780), Jonathan (1787), and Mary (1789).<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

        From that household the Georgia farmers would run William Brown to William B. (1810) to John Wesley (1852) to John Wesley Jr. to James Holland. The Tennessee and Cherokee-border men would run through Jonathan, James, or another brother into the John-and-Edith and Martin Matthew clusters, then to Honey Creek, Vinita, and Claremore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        If that fork is real, the Okemah family and the Vinita family are cousins at the great-great-great-grandparent level, not two random families. If it is not real, there are still two rare-name southern branches that both used Georgia and Tennessee as stepping-stones \u2014 which is how most southern surnames behave.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        What is proved and what is not<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

        Proved well enough for family use: James Holland Scrimshire (1920\u20131994) is the son of John Wesley Scrimshire Jr. (1889\/90\u20131966) and Maudie Tedford. John Wesley Jr. is the son of John Wesley Schrimshire (1852\u20131935) and Frances Parlee Dean. John Wesley 1852 is the son of William B. Scrimshire (born 1810, Georgia) and Elizabeth Kent. That chain sits in the 1970 OGS article and in matching FamilySearch vitals and censuses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Compiled, useful, not finished: William B. of 1810 as son of William Brown of about 1770\/1778; William Brown as son of John Jr. of 1751 Albemarle; John Jr. as son of John of about 1720 England and Ann Lyons. Multiple wives attached to William Brown (Sanford, Goza, sometimes Duckworth) need original certificates before they are treated as fact. The 108-year lifespan given in some trees should be ignored.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Open on purpose: whether the Okemah farmers and the Claremore \/ Vinita Schrimshers meet in that Virginia household. The published Cherokee work leaves the door open. So does this note.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Sources used in this compilation<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

        Oklahoma Genealogical Society, \u201cOklahoma\u2019s Roots Are Deep: John Wesley Scrimshire,\u201d Quarterly 15, no. 2 (June 1970), compiled by Mrs. Zora Bishop, Okemah; online transcription at the OGS RootsWeb site.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        FamilySearch Family Tree sketches for the persons named above, with the usual caution that FamilySearch is a shared tree and some spouses and parents before 1810 are user-submitted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Surname dictionaries treating Scrimshire as a form of Scrimshaw \/ skirmisher, including the Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland and the online SurnameDB sketch of the fencing-master origin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Schrimsher Cousins materials hosted by USGenWeb Archives for Craig County, Oklahoma, including notes on John and Edith Vann, the 1808 William permit, and the compiler\u2019s refusal to join John, Martin Matthew, and William without proved parents.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Jerry L. Clark, \u201cRe: Jonathon SCHRIMSHER,\u201d Genealogy.com surname forum, 6 October 2000, distinguishing the Sweetwater, Tennessee, Schrimshers from the Gunter\u2019s Landing, Alabama, family of Martin Matthew.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Emmett Starr, History of the Cherokee Indians and Their Legends and Folk Lore (Oklahoma City: Warden Company, 1921), used by later writers for the Rogers\u2013Schrimsher connection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Find a Grave and cemetery transcriptions for Highland Cemetery (Okemah), Sand Creek Cemetery (Seminole County), Schrimsher Cemetery (Craig County), and Woodlawn Cemetery (Claremore, John Gunter Schrimsher).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

        1700, 1800 & 1900 Scrimshire Family Lines & Charts How to read the Above Chart The top two boxes are the Scrimhire households most compiled trees known. The six smaller boxes are children often attached to John Jr. and Mary Anna Brown. The two large boxes at the bottom are the later Oklahoma stories. Green […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"post-left-sidebar","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[63,3,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1107","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-family-friends-okla","category-okie-family-history","category-years-oklahoma"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1107","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1107"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1107\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1519,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1107\/revisions\/1519"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1107"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1107"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1107"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}