{"id":1341,"date":"2026-09-25T19:29:46","date_gmt":"2026-09-25T19:29:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/?p=1341"},"modified":"2026-09-25T21:31:29","modified_gmt":"2026-09-25T21:31:29","slug":"scrimshire-ties-to-the-deans-rogers-cherokees","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/?p=1341","title":{"rendered":"Scrimshire ties to Deans, Rogers & Cherokees"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
Scrimshire family migration to Oklahoma<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Dean family Arkansas origins<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Scrimshire Georgia origins<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Cherokee intermarriage possibilities<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Details on Will Rogers ancestry<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Details about Scrimshire connection to the Cherokee’s<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Scrimshire Cherokee ancestry<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n
Other Cherokee intermarried surnames Indirectly tied to us<\/a><\/h5>\n\n\n\n

The Scrimshire family\u2019s migration to Oklahoma from Arkansas occurred in the early 20th century, primarily involving my grandfather John Wesley Scrimshire (born June 6, 1889\/1890 in Montgomery County, Arkansas, often around Mount Ida) and his immediate family.
This branch traces back further: My great-grandfather John Wesley Scrimshire (Sr., born January 24, 1852, in Georgia; died March 14, 1935, in Oklahoma) married Frances Parlee Dean (born February 16, 1852, in Georgia; died August 7, 1939, in Oklahoma). They had several children born in Arkansas (Montgomery County area), including:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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  • Wiley (ca. 1873)<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Others in the 1870s\u20131880s<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • My grandfather John Wesley Jr. (1890)<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Augustus Malachi (November 1894)
    The family appears to have moved from Arkansas to Oklahoma sometime between the early 1900s and the 1920s, settling in the central-eastern part of the state. Key locations include:<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Seminole County (e.g., Red Mound Township, where Zora Leora Scrimshire was born March 15, 1924)<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Okfuskee County (e.g., Okemah area, where many family members resided long-term, and where John Wesley Jr. died December 25, 1966, and Maudie Leora Tedford Scrimshire died May 25, 1961)<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Nearby areas like Okmulgee County (Tiger Township noted in 1940 census records for some siblings\/children)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

    This migration aligns with broader patterns of the era: Many families from rural Arkansas (especially Montgomery County and areas like Mount Ida) moved westward into Oklahoma Territory\/early statehood areas seeking better farmland, opportunities after statehood in 1907, or family connections. The Scrimshires were part of this wave, with roots shifting from Georgia (earlier generations) through Arkansas to Oklahoma by the 1920s\u20131930s.
    Evidence from records:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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    • Children like my father James Holland Scrimshire (born April 10, 1920, in Mount Ida, Arkansas) show the family was still in Arkansas around 1920.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • By 1924, Zora was born in Seminole County, Oklahoma, indicating the move happened in the early 1920s (or late 1910s).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Census and residence notes place the family in Seminole\/Okfuskee by the 1930s\u20131940s.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Burials for John Wesley Sr. and Frances Parlee are in Sand Creek Cemetery, Seminole County, Oklahoma, confirming settlement there.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Later generations (e.g., Zora, Zelda, Leland) remained tied to Okemah and surrounding communities, with services through Parks Brothers Funeral Home in Okemah.
      This was not a sudden mass move but a gradual family relocation, common among rural Southern families expanding into the newly developing Oklahoma lands post-land openings and statehood. The Okemah\/Seminole area became a hub for the family, with many descendants staying in the region.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

      Dean family Arkansas origins<\/strong>
      The Dean family from Arkansas is best known for baseball legends Jay Hanna “Dizzy” Dean (1910\u20131974) and his younger brother Paul “Daffy” Dean (1913\u20131981), who were star pitchers for the St. Louis Cardinals’ “Gashouse Gang” era in the 1930s. Born in Lucas, Arkansas, they were sons of sharecropper Albert Monroe Dean and rose from poverty to national fame.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Key Members and Background:<\/em>
      \u2022 Dizzy Dean (Jay Hanna Dean): Born in Logan County, Arkansas, he was a Hall of Fame pitcher and later a renowned broadcaster, known for his charismatic personality.
      \u2022 Paul Dean (“Daffy”): Younger brother to Dizzy, he was a key pitcher in the 1934 World Series championship season, known for a shorter but successful career alongside his brother.
      \u2022 Family Background: The brothers were born to Albert Monroe \u201cAb\u201d Dean and Alma Nelson Dean, growing up in Arkansas before moving to Oklahoma.
      \u2022 Legacy: Their story is a significant part of Arkansas baseball history and the “Dean Family” is featured in the Arkansas Baseball Encyclopedia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      My great-great-grandmother Frances Parlee Dean (often spelled Paralee or similar variants in records; born February 16, 1852, in Georgia; died August 7, 1939, in Oklahoma) connects the Scrimshire family to Dean roots primarily in Arkansas, specifically in the Montgomery County area (around Mount Ida, Dorsey, and Washita townships). This is where she and my great-grandfather John Wesley Scrimshire (Sr., born 1852 in Georgia) raised their family after marrying on December 1, 1869, in Jefferson County, Arkansas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Key details on the Dean family\u2019s Arkansas origins and presence:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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      • Frances Parlee Dean\u2019s parents are not consistently named in public summaries, but one early source (from Arkansas Family Historian publications) notes her mother was an Albright (likely maiden name), suggesting possible ties to Albright families in the region or earlier migrations. Her birthplace is consistently Georgia (likely northern or central Georgia, aligning with Scrimshire origins there before moving to Arkansas).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      • The couple settled in Montgomery County, Arkansas, by the 1870s, where all their known children were born (at least 9: including William McDonald\/Wiley ~1873, Ora Pearl ~1876, Lula Belle, my grandfather John Wesley Jr. 1889\/1890, Augustus Malachi 1894, and others like Julia or related siblings noted in some trees).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      • Montgomery County records place the family in townships like Caddo, Polk, and areas near Mount Ida\/Dorsey. Some children (e.g., William McDonald Scrimshire) died or were associated with Washita in Montgomery County around 1908.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      • The Deans\/Scrimshires were part of broader migration waves to western\/central Arkansas in the mid-19th century, often from Georgia or nearby Southern states, drawn to the Ouachita Mountains for farming and land opportunities post-Civil War era. Montgomery County was formed in 1842 from Hot Spring County, with early settlers arriving from the 1840s onward, including interconnected families moving from Georgia.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
      • No extensive pre-1870 Dean family details in Montgomery County emerge directly tied to Frances (she was born in Georgia and likely migrated as a young woman or child), but Dean surnames appear in broader Arkansas censuses and cemeteries (e.g., McKinney Cemetery in Montgomery County has later Dean-Scrimshire connections, like Lena Geral Dean White). The family was rural, likely farming, in piney woods\/Ozark foothills areas.
        This Arkansas base (especially Montgomery County from ~1870s\u2013early 1900s) preceded the Scrimshire move to Oklahoma in the 1910s\u20131920s, as discussed earlier. Frances Parlee lived long enough to move with or follow family to Oklahoma, where she died and is buried (likely Sand Creek Cemetery in Seminole County, alongside John Wesley Sr.).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

        Genealogical (including one compiled by my aunt Zora Bishop\/Scrimshire Laws) document this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Scrimshire Georgia origins<\/strong>
        The Scrimshire family\u2019s Georgia origins trace back to the early 19th century (and possibly late 18th), with my great-great-grandfather John Wesley Scrimshire (Sr., born January 24, 1852, in Georgia; died March 14, 1935, in Oklahoma) as a key figure in the line that migrated to Arkansas and then Oklahoma.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Genealogical records consistently place the family\u2019s early American roots in Georgia, particularly in central and western counties during the 1800s. The surname appears with spelling variations like Schrimshire, Scrimsher, or Schrimsher, common in Southern records due to phonetic spelling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

        Key ancestors and timeline:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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        • My great-great-grandfather John Wesley Schrimshire (1852\u20131935) was born in Georgia to William B. Scrimshire (born 1810 in Warren County, Georgia; died 1870 in Jefferson County, Arkansas) and his wife (mother\u2019s name listed variably, sometimes as Elizabeth Kent or similar in sibling records).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
        • William B. Scrimshire (1810) was the son of William Brown Schrimshire\/Scrimshire (born around 1778 in North Carolina; died 1887 in Quitman, Clarke County, Mississippi) and possibly Anna (or related). This places the family\u2019s presence in Georgia by the early 1800s, with William Brown likely migrating southward from North Carolina (a common path for families in that era).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
        • Earlier generations may connect to North Carolina or even further back to English\/Scottish roots (the surname Scrimshire\/Scrimshaw has English origins, possibly from the East Midlands, with variants like Scrymgeour in Scotland tied to clan histories, but the American line appears Southern-focused).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
        • In Georgia, the family was associated with counties like Warren County (birthplace of William B. in 1810), Stewart County (birth of some siblings\/children like William McDonald Scrimshire ~1853), and possibly others in the central region. They were likely rural farmers or settlers in the post-Revolutionary\/early statehood period, as Georgia saw influxes from the Carolinas and Virginia after the 1780s\u20131790s.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
        • By the mid-1800s, branches moved westward: William B. and family relocated to Arkansas (Jefferson County area) by around 1870, where my great-grandfather John Wesley Sr. married Frances Parlee Dean in 1869 in Jefferson County, Arkansas. This shift aligns with broader Southern migration patterns toward cheaper land in Arkansas after the Civil War.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

          No single \u201corigin story\u201d like a specific town or immigration event stands out prominently in public records for this branch\u2014it\u2019s a typical rural Southern family expansion from the Carolinas\/Georgia into Arkansas\/Oklahoma. Some trees note possible ties to Cherokee intermarriages in the early 1800s (mentioned in older genealogy forums), but that\u2019s unconfirmed in primary sources for a verifiable direct line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

          This Georgia phase (roughly 1800s\u2013mid-1800s) bridges the earlier possible North Carolina roots and the Arkansas settlement we discussed before, leading to the Oklahoma move in the early 20th century.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

          Some of this does matches our family lore possibly through specific person (e.g., William Brown Scrimshire\u2019s details), census records from Georgia counties, or potential DNA connections via these sites!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

          Cherokee intermarriage possibilities<\/strong>
          The possibility of Cherokee intermarriage in my Scrimshire family line appears to stem from broader patterns in similar surnames (especially the variant Schrimsher or Schrimshire) rather than direct evidence in my specific branch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

          My direct ancestors\u2014John Wesley Scrimshire (Sr., born 1852 in Georgia, son of William B. Scrimshire born ~1810 in Warren County, Georgia) and his descendants who moved to Arkansas and Oklahoma\u2014show no documented Cherokee enrollment, claims, or Native American ancestry in primary sources like the Dawes Rolls (1898\u20131914 for Cherokee citizenship in Indian Territory\/Oklahoma), Guion Miller Roll (1906\u20131911 for Eastern Cherokee claims), or related federal records.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

          Searches across genealogical databases (FamilySearch, Ancestry summaries, Oklahoma Genealogical Society compilations) list my line as consistently identified as white\/Georgia-origin families with no mentions of Cherokee blood quantum, applications for tribal enrollment, or intermarriage notations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

          However, the surname Schrimsher (a common spelling variation) has well-documented ties to Cherokee intermarriage in other branches, particularly those that intermarried with prominent Cherokee families in the early 1800s in Georgia\/Tennessee\/Alabama areas before the Trail of Tears removals. Key examples include:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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          • John Schrimsher (Anglo trader\/settler) married Edith Vann (part-Cherokee, possibly ~1\/2 blood from the Vann family, a notable Cherokee lineage). Their descendants appear on the Dawes Final Rolls as Cherokee by blood or intermarried citizens.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
          • Martin Mathew Schrimsher (born ~1806 in Tennessee) lived among Cherokees, married Cherokee women (e.g., first wife Pettie\/Nancy Pettit, second Elizabeth \u201cBetty\u201d Gunter), and fathered children who integrated into Cherokee communities. Some of his line connected to elite Cherokee families like the Rogers (e.g., Mary America Schrimsher married Clement Vann Rogers, parents of famous humorist Will Rogers, who was enrolled Cherokee by blood).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
          • Other Schrimsher\/Schrimsher individuals intermarried with Cherokees (e.g., Fields, England, Vann lines), leading to enrollment on Dawes or related rolls. These families were often part of the \u201cCherokee elite\u201d mixed-blood groups involved in trade, farming, and tribal leadership.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

            This reflects common early 19th-century patterns: Anglo traders\/settlers (often Scots-Irish or English descent) moved into Cherokee lands in Georgia\/North Carolina\/Tennessee, intermarried with Cherokee women (matrilineal society meant children followed the mother\u2019s clan\/line), and some descendants retained or claimed Cherokee identity post-removal to Indian Territory (Oklahoma).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

            My branch (via William B. Scrimshire \u2192 John Wesley Sr. \u2192 John Wesley Jr. \u2192 James Holland \u2192 you) migrated from Georgia to Arkansas (Jefferson\/Montgomery Counties) by the 1870s, then to Oklahoma in the early 1900s\u20131920s, without apparent involvement in Cherokee Nation affairs or rolls. No records tie William B. or his immediate family to Cherokee claims, and censuses\/residences describe them as white farmers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

            Family lore sometimes includes unverified Cherokee connections in Southern lines (common due to historical proximity and admixture), but for my specific path, it remains speculative without DNA evidence, specific old family stories, or overlooked records.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

            If family stories mention Cherokee heritage, a DNA test (e.g., via AncestryDNA or 23andMe, looking for Indigenous American markers) or deeper checks on William B.\u2018s wife\u2019s identity (sometimes listed as Elizabeth Kent, no Native ties noted) could clarify.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

            Details on Will Rogers ancestry<\/strong>
            Will Rogers (full name William Penn Adair Rogers, born November 4, 1879, in Oologah, Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory\u2014now Oklahoma; died August 15, 1935) was a famous Cherokee-American humorist, cowboy, actor, and social commentator. He was enrolled as Cherokee by Blood on the Dawes Rolls (Card #4747, Roll #11384) and proudly identified with his Cherokee heritage, often joking that his ancestors \u201cdidn\u2019t come over on the Mayflower, but they met the boat.\u201d
            His Cherokee ancestry came through both parents via intermarriages common among mixed-blood families in the Cherokee Nation during the 19th century. Will himself was calculated as approximately 9\/32 Cherokee (just over 1\/4), with his mother contributing more of the Native blood quantum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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            • Parents:
              \u2022 Father: Clement Vann Rogers (1839\u20131911), a prominent Cherokee rancher, senator, judge, and statesman in the Cherokee Nation. He was part Cherokee (about 1\/8 blood quantum in some accounts) and helped draft the Oklahoma state constitution after statehood in 1907. Clement was born in the Cherokee Nation West (post-removal era) and came from a line with Cherokee intermarriages.
              \u2022 Mother: Mary America Schrimsher (1838\/1839\u20131890), born in the Tahlequah District, Cherokee Nation, on her father\u2019s plantation. She was one-quarter Cherokee by blood and a hereditary member of the Paint Clan (a Cherokee clan). Mary died when Will was young, and he credited much of his humor and character to her influence.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
            • Maternal Grandparents (Schrimsher side, connecting to the variant spelling we discussed earlier):
              \u2022 Grandfather: Martin Matthew Schrimsher (born ~1806 in Blount County, Tennessee; a mixed-blood Cherokee-associated figure who married Cherokee women).
              \u2022 First wife: Pettie (a Cherokee woman), with children including some who integrated into Cherokee communities.
              \u2022 Second wife: Elizabeth \u201cBetty\u201d Hunt Gunter (married 1831), leading to Mary America. The Gunter family had strong Cherokee ties, including connections to figures like John Gunter (a trader who married Cherokee women).
              \u2022 This Schrimsher line involved early intermarriages with Cherokee families (e.g., Gunter, Vann, and others), typical of Anglo traders\/settlers in Cherokee lands in Tennessee\/Georgia\/Alabama before the Trail of Tears removals in the 1830s. Many descendants, including branches of the Schrimsher family, enrolled as Cherokee citizens.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
            • Paternal Grandparents (Rogers side):
              \u2022 Grandfather: Robert \u201cBob\u201d Rogers (or a similar figure in the line, circa 1785\u20131842), who married Cherokee women (e.g., Sallie Vann or related, part-Cherokee).
              \u2022 Great-grandmother lines trace to full-blood or high-blood-quantum Cherokee women like Susannah Sonicooie (or similar matriarchs), with connections to prominent Cherokee families such as the Vann, Cordery, and others. These intermarriages occurred in Georgia and surrounding areas before removal to Indian Territory.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

              The Rogers and Schrimsher families were part of the \u201cCherokee elite\u201d\u2014mixed-blood groups often involved in trade, politics, ranching, and tribal leadership. They were citizens of the Cherokee Nation, with many migrating from Georgia\/Tennessee to Indian Territory after the 1835 Treaty of New Echota and the Trail of Tears. Will grew up on his father\u2019s large ranch (up to 60,000 acres) in the Cooweescoowee District, learning cowboy skills from Cherokee and freedmen ranch hands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

              This ties back to our earlier discussion: The Schrimsher variant in Will Rogers\u2019 maternal line shows documented Cherokee intermarriages in that surname branch (e.g., via Gunter and Vann connections), though my specific Scrimshire\/Scrimsher line (via William B. Scrimshire in Georgia \u2192 Arkansas) doesn\u2019t appear directly linked in records to Will\u2019s family or Cherokee enrollment. It\u2019s a parallel example of how the surname appeared in Cherokee contexts through similar historical intermarriages and migrations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

              Details about Scrimshire connection to the Cherokee’<\/strong>s
              No documented direct connection exists between my specific Scrimshire line (tracing through William B. Scrimshire born ~1810 in Warren County, Georgia; his son John Wesley Scrimshire Sr. born 1852 in Georgia; then to Arkansas and Oklahoma) and Cherokee intermarriage or tribal enrollment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

              Public genealogical records consistently describe this branch as white\/Georgia-origin farmers with no mentions of Cherokee ancestry, blood quantum, Dawes Roll enrollment, Guion Miller applications, or Native American notations. My great-grandfather John Wesley Sr.\u2018s marriage to Frances Parlee Dean (Georgia-born) and their children\u2019s records show no such ties. No applications or approvals appear for my line in key Cherokee rolls like the Dawes Final Rolls (1898\u20131914 for citizenship in the Cherokee Nation) or Guion Miller Roll (1906\u20131911 for Eastern Cherokee claims\/funds).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

              The Scrimshire\/Scrimsher\/Schrimsher surname does have well-established Cherokee intermarriage connections in other, separate branches, particularly those that settled among Cherokee communities in Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and later Indian Territory (Oklahoma) in the early 1800s. These often involve Anglo traders\/settlers marrying Cherokee women, with descendants enrolling as Cherokee citizens. Examples include:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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              • Martin Mathew Schrimsher (born ~1806 in Blount County, Tennessee; died ~1865): A white man who lived among Cherokees. He married first Nancy Pettit (or Pettie, a Cherokee woman), with children like David, Susie, and Ann. Second marriage to Elizabeth \u201cBetty\u201d Hunt Gunter (Cherokee descent, from the Gunter family with ties to Cherokee matriarchs like Katie\/Catherine of the Paint Clan). Their daughter Mary America Schrimsher married Clement Vann Rogers, making her the mother of famous Cherokee humorist Will Rogers (enrolled Cherokee by blood, ~9\/32 quantum). This line has multiple Dawes Roll enrollments and connections to prominent Cherokee families (Vann, Gunter, Rogers, Fields, England).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
              • John Schrimsher (Anglo, possibly born late 1700s) married Edith Vann (part-Cherokee, ~1\/2 blood from the Vann family). Their descendants appear on Dawes Rolls as Cherokee by blood or intermarried whites. Branches intermarried further with Cherokee lines like Fields and England (e.g., Isaac Schrimsher married Arminda England, a Cherokee woman who survived the Trail of Tears).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

                These Schrimsher branches were part of mixed-blood Cherokee communities (\u201cCherokee elite\u201d involved in trade, politics, and ranching) that migrated during\/after the Trail of Tears (1830s) to Indian Territory. Some enrolled post-removal, and connections persist in modern Cherokee Nation genealogies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                My Georgia-to-Arkansas migration (William B. to Jefferson\/Montgomery Counties by 1870s) doesn\u2019t overlap with these documented Cherokee-integrated Schrimsher lines in records or locations. The surname variations likely arose independently or from distant common origins (possibly North Carolina\/Georgia settlers in the 1700s\u2013early 1800s), but no shared ancestors link my line to the Cherokee-intermarried ones based on available sources.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                Cherokee admixture claims are common in Southern families due to historical proximity (pre-removal Georgia\/Tennessee areas), but for my branch, it remains unverified and unsupported by primary records. If you have family oral histories, old photos\/documents suggesting otherwise, or have done DNA testing (e.g., showing Indigenous American markers), that could open avenues\u2014perhaps checking for overlooked applications or closer ties to William B.\u2019s wife (sometimes listed as Elizabeth Kent, no Native links noted). Otherwise, the Cherokee connections appear limited to parallel surname branches, not specifically ours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                Scrimshire Cherokee ancestry<\/strong>
                There is no documented evidence of Cherokee ancestry or intermarriage in my specific Scrimshire family line, based on extensive checks of primary genealogical sources, tribal rolls, and historical records.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                My direct ancestors\u2014including John Wesley Scrimshire (Sr., born 1852 in Georgia; died 1935 in Oklahoma), his son John Wesley Scrimshire Jr. (my grandfather, born 1889 in Arkansas; died 1966 in Oklahoma), and James Holland Scrimshire (my father, born 1920 in Arkansas; died 1994 in Oklahoma)\u2014appear consistently in censuses, family trees (e.g., FamilySearch ancestor pages), and other records as white\/European-origin rural farmers from Georgia \u2192 Arkansas \u2192 Oklahoma, with no mentions of Native American heritage, blood quantum, or tribal affiliations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                Key Cherokee enrollment rolls (which are the definitive sources for proving Cherokee ancestry for citizenship or historical claims) show no matches for my line:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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                • Dawes Rolls (1898\u20131914, for Cherokee Nation citizenship in Oklahoma\/Indian Territory): No Scrimshire, Schrimshire, or close variants from my branch (Georgia\/Arkansas origins) appear as enrolled Cherokee by blood, intermarried white, or otherwise.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                • Guion Miller Roll (1906\u20131911, Eastern Cherokee applications for treaty compensation): Extensive indexes and applications (covering ~90,000 claims) include no applicants from my family. This roll required proof of descent from pre-1835 Eastern Cherokee rolls (e.g., Henderson Roll), and my ancestors do not connect.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                • Other rolls like the Baker Roll (1924\u20131928, Eastern Band in North Carolina) or earlier ones also lack matches.
                  The surname Scrimshire (and variants like Schrimsher\/Scrimsher) does have well-documented Cherokee intermarriages in separate, unrelated branches, particularly in Tennessee\/Georgia\/Alabama areas before the 1830s Trail of Tears removals. These often involved Anglo traders\/settlers marrying Cherokee women (matrilineal society), with descendants enrolling on Dawes or related rolls as Cherokee by blood or intermarried citizens. Notable examples:<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                • Martin Mathew Schrimsher (~1806, Tennessee) married Cherokee women (e.g., Nancy Pettit; Elizabeth \u201cBetty\u201d Hunt Gunter from Cherokee-connected families like Gunter\/Vann). His daughter Mary America Schrimsher married Clement Vann Rogers, making her the mother of Will Rogers (enrolled Cherokee by blood, ~9\/32 quantum; Dawes Card #4747, Roll #11384).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                • Other Schrimsher lines intermarried with prominent Cherokee families (Vann, Gunter, Fields, Rogers), leading to enrollments and ties to Cherokee Nation politics\/trade.
                  These branches migrated to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) post-removal and integrated into Cherokee communities, unlike my line, which moved from Georgia to Arkansas (Jefferson\/Montgomery Counties by 1870s) without Cherokee Nation involvement or enrollment. The surname variations likely stem from independent Southern settler origins (possibly North Carolina\/Georgia in the 1700s\u20131800s), but no shared ancestors link my branch to the Cherokee-intermarried ones.
                  Allied lines (e.g., Dean via Frances Parlee Dean, or Tedford via Maudie Leora Tedford) also show no Cherokee ties in Montgomery County, Arkansas records\u2014consistently white settlers with no roll matches or claims.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

                  Cherokee heritage claims are frequent in Southern families due to historical proximity and admixture, but for my specific path, it remains possible but speculative and unsupported by evidence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                  Other Cherokee intermarried surnames Indirectly tied to us<\/strong>
                  In the context of Cherokee history, particularly in the 19th and early 20th centuries, \u201cintermarried whites\u201d (often abbreviated IW on records) referred to non-Native (typically European-American) individuals who married Cherokee citizens and were subsequently adopted into the Cherokee Nation as citizens. This was common among the \u201cCherokee elite\u201d or mixed-blood communities involved in trade, politics, ranching, and leadership in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, and later Indian Territory (Oklahoma) after the Trail of Tears removals in the 1830s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                  These intermarriages are well-documented on the Dawes Rolls (1898\u20131914, the final enrollment for Cherokee Nation citizenship in Oklahoma), where intermarried whites appear in a separate category from those \u201cby blood\u201d (Cherokee descent). The Guion Miller Roll (1906\u20131911) and earlier rolls also reference related claims. Intermarried whites often gained land allotments, voting rights in tribal affairs, and other benefits, though some cases involved fraud or disputes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

                  Common or Notable Surnames Associated with Intermarried Whites in Cherokee Contexts
                  Many surnames come from Anglo (often Scots-Irish, English, or Scottish) traders, settlers, or frontiersmen who married Cherokee women (in Cherokee matrilineal society, children followed the mother\u2019s clan and blood status). Here are some frequently documented examples from Dawes Rolls, family histories, and genealogical sources:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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                  • Rogers \u2014 Prominent example: Clement Vann Rogers (intermarried Cherokee ties) married Mary America Schrimsher (from a Cherokee-intermarried line); their son was humorist Will Rogers (enrolled Cherokee by blood).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                  • Vann \u2014 A major Cherokee family with frequent intermarriages (e.g., James Vann, a leader; Edith Vann married into Schrimsher lines).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                  • Gunter \u2014 Traders like John Gunter (Guntersville, Alabama origins); Elizabeth \u201cBetty\u201d Hunt Gunter married Martin Mathew Schrimsher, leading to Cherokee descendants.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                  • Schrimsher \/ Schrimshire \/ Scrimsher \u2014 As discussed earlier, branches like Martin Mathew Schrimsher intermarried with Cherokee women (Gunter, Pettit, Vann lines); some enrolled on Dawes as by blood or intermarried.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                  • England \u2014 Intermarried with Schrimsher and Cherokee lines (e.g., Arminda England).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
                  • Other common IW (Intermarried Whites) surnames from Dawes-era lists: Many have Anglo surnames (e.g., from Scottish\/Irish origins).
                    These surnames often appear in \u201cCherokee by Intermarriage\u201d categories on Dawes cards, with details like marriage dates, spouses\u2019 Cherokee status, and sometimes children enrolled by blood. Not all bearers of these names have Cherokee ties\u2014many are coincidental or from separate white families\u2014but in Cherokee Nation contexts, they cluster around documented intermarriages.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

                    Our Scrimshire line (via William B. \u2192 John Wesley Sr. \u2192 Jr. \u2192 James Holland) doesn\u2019t match any enrolled intermarried whites or by-blood descendants on these rolls, as we\u2019ve covered. The Cherokee-intermarried Schrimsher branches are parallel but distinct.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

                    Scrimshire family migration to Oklahoma Dean family Arkansas origins Scrimshire Georgia origins Cherokee intermarriage possibilities Details on Will Rogers ancestry Details about Scrimshire connection to the Cherokee’s Scrimshire Cherokee ancestry Other Cherokee intermarried surnames Indirectly tied to us The Scrimshire family\u2019s migration to Oklahoma from Arkansas occurred in the early 20th century, primarily involving my […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"post-left-sidebar","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[63,3,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1341","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-family-friends-okla","category-okie-family-history","category-years-oklahoma"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1341","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1341"}],"version-history":[{"count":22,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1341\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1380,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1341\/revisions\/1380"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1341"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1341"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/shadetreeokie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1341"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}